yea i understand, and if you think about it..its kinda stupid thinking your immortal on the net, even hackers are worried of being *****ed (yes the good ones too) because they UNDERSTAND what the web is and how it works. yes i also agree with you m00nbat, people do the hit and run thing for things they want but HEY! dude just be happy you know more than them lol thats how i look at it, its like someone posting up a math answer and we posting the answer for them, do they learn something? psht no. dude and what that guy did to you was messed up, lol you should have placed a sort of eye catching batch file in his root directory lol even edit his php to actually opne the batch file lol now that would have been kick-butt. remember this, if someone out smarts you, you have the CHOICE to outsmart them back =)